Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Yes
45
74%
No
1
2%
Not durable enough to say yes right now
6
10%
Too young to say
9
15%
No Comment
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 61

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby smitty » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:29 pm

Warszawa wrote:Who does Nola remind you of pitch/style wise?


This guy.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... gr01.shtml

If the umps give Nola the extra wide strike zone that Maddux got, Nola might be even better.
Teams lie, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for bad. They do it to get an advantage while they look at the trade market or just because they can

--Will Carroll
User avatar
smitty
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 44423
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:00 am
Location: Federal Way, WA --Spursville

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:34 pm

Still an ace

@EEM here you go
User avatar
BigEd76
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 101574
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:13 pm
Location: 40.155/-74.829

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby Slowhand » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:39 pm

BigEd76 wrote:Still an ace

@EEM here you go


From that thread:

BigEd76 wrote:Hoskins is havin a Friday

Image

He also favorited my congrats to him on Twitter


Also,

kimbatiste wrote:
joe table wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Looks like one of those drafts where we sign two high school players.


you gonna keep this up every picc or wat


Nope, I'm embarrassed that my posts are taking up your valuable time so I'm out of here.


A man of his word. He hasn't posted anything since.
How dare you interrupt my Lime Rickey!
User avatar
Slowhand
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 23037
Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:26 am
Location: Fake news

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:09 pm

He's probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. Cy young worthy.
User avatar
CalvinBall
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 58086
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:30 pm
Location: Out There

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:14 pm

CalvinBall wrote:He's probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. Cy young worthy.

Hadn't even really considered that. A Nola for Cy campaign would be a lot of fun in the 2nd half especially if he carries us to the playoffs.
User avatar
jerseyhoya
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 93625
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:56 pm

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby Ace Rothstein » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:21 pm

CalvinBall wrote:He's probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. Cy young worthy.


Don’t think he’s ahead of Scherzer yet
User avatar
Ace Rothstein
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 84758
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:06 am
Location: Tangiers Sportsbook

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:48 pm

phatj wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
ByLukeJohnson
Nola struck out 24 more batters in his career than he allowed to reach base.


Dunno how unusual this is in college, but by my back of the envelope calculation, Pedro Martinez struck out 32 more batters in his career than he allowed to reach base. That'll do, pig



His 2018 season including tonight, he has struck out 2 more batters than allowed to reach base
User avatar
BigEd76
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 101574
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:13 pm
Location: 40.155/-74.829

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby azrider » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:06 am

Yes
User avatar
azrider
Dropped Anchor
Dropped Anchor
 
Posts: 6883
Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: snottsdale, arizona

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby phillychuck » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:43 am

smitty wrote:
Warszawa wrote:Who does Nola remind you of pitch/style wise?


This guy.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... gr01.shtml

If the umps give Nola the extra wide strike zone that Maddux got, Nola might be even better.


I think he's less like Maddux than he is like Bert Blyleven. Blyleven could tell you his curve was coming and batters still couldn't hit it. It's Nola's out pitch as well, and almost as unhittable.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... be01.shtml

Let's hope he has the same (or maybe even better) sustained success.

This is a fantastic article on Blyleven that talks a lot about his curve:

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news ... -blyleven/

I think Nola's is about as good.
Win Today and We Walk Together Forever.
User avatar
phillychuck
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 4911
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:41 pm
Location: Easton, Pa.

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby Stripes » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Ace Rothstein wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:He's probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. Cy young worthy.


Don’t think he’s ahead of Scherzer yet


He's actually ahead of him in wins and ERA at this point
Trust the prospects
Stripes
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 1847
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:12 am
Location: Mightyville

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby phatj » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:55 pm

BigEd76 wrote:
phatj wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
ByLukeJohnson
Nola struck out 24 more batters in his career than he allowed to reach base.


Dunno how unusual this is in college, but by my back of the envelope calculation, Pedro Martinez struck out 32 more batters in his career than he allowed to reach base. That'll do, pig



His 2018 season including tonight, he has struck out 2 more batters than allowed to reach base

How did you calculate how many he allowed to reach base? (For that matter, I"m not sure how I calculated it back in 2014...)

So, baserunners allowed should equal Batters Faced minus Outs, right? BB-Ref has him 478 BF, and at 123.0 IP so far this season, which is 369 outs. So 109 non-outs, and with 126 K he he's at +17 on the season.

By this method my original calculation of Pedro's +/- was way off -- +242 for his career. And the Big Unit is +214.
they were a chick hanging out with her friends at a bar, the Phillies would be the 320 lb chick with a nose wart and a dick - Trent Steele
User avatar
phatj
Moderator
 
Posts: 20039
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:07 pm
Location: Andaman Limp Dick of Certain Doom

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby phatj » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:58 pm

Also FWIW Scherzer is +60 this season.
they were a chick hanging out with her friends at a bar, the Phillies would be the 320 lb chick with a nose wart and a dick - Trent Steele
User avatar
phatj
Moderator
 
Posts: 20039
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:07 pm
Location: Andaman Limp Dick of Certain Doom

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby phatj » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:02 pm

And... I'm dumb. Ignore the two above posts
they were a chick hanging out with her friends at a bar, the Phillies would be the 320 lb chick with a nose wart and a dick - Trent Steele
User avatar
phatj
Moderator
 
Posts: 20039
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:07 pm
Location: Andaman Limp Dick of Certain Doom

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:14 pm

I think you arrived at your original figure by adding Pedro’s walks plus hits plus HBP allowed and subtracting it from his K total, which leaves you with plus 32.

This seems to me to be a sounder methodology that figuring it by IP times 3 (I.e., outs recorded) minus batters faced to arrive at base runners allowed... but I am unsure as to why.

As I think about it, I turn to the old strikeout wild pitch, which is considered a strikeout of course, but is not considered a time on base, and it isn’t an out either. So there might be some discrepancy from that, but actually that doesn’t make sense because, since I assume the number of strikeouts is fixed for both methodologies, what must change is what you are subtracting. Somehow, walks plus hits plus HBP winds up being more baserunners than batters faced minus outs recorded would suggest.

Does he not get credit for a batter faced if he finishes a batter someone else started because he was brought in in the middle of the AB? But how often could that have ever happened to Pedro?

Hmmm, a bit of a puzzle.
"I'm in a bar with the games sound turned off and that Cespedes home run still sounded like inevitability."

-swish
User avatar
Wolfgang622
Plays the Game the Right Way
Plays the Game the Right Way
 
Posts: 26172
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:11 pm
Location: Baseball Heaven

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby phatj » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:52 pm

Wolfgang622 wrote:I think you arrived at your original figure by adding Pedro’s walks plus hits plus HBP allowed and subtracting it from his K total, which leaves you with plus 32.

This seems to me to be a sounder methodology that figuring it by IP times 3 (I.e., outs recorded) minus batters faced to arrive at base runners allowed... but I am unsure as to why.

As I think about it, I turn to the old strikeout wild pitch, which is considered a strikeout of course, but is not considered a time on base, and it isn’t an out either. So there might be some discrepancy from that, but actually that doesn’t make sense because, since I assume the number of strikeouts is fixed for both methodologies, what must change is what you are subtracting. Somehow, walks plus hits plus HBP winds up being more baserunners than batters faced minus outs recorded would suggest.

Does he not get credit for a batter faced if he finishes a batter someone else started because he was brought in in the middle of the AB? But how often could that have ever happened to Pedro?

Hmmm, a bit of a puzzle.

The problem with using BF minus Outs to determine when no baserunner was allowed is that it is possible to allow a baserunner and subsequently record an out without having faced another batter.
they were a chick hanging out with her friends at a bar, the Phillies would be the 320 lb chick with a nose wart and a dick - Trent Steele
User avatar
phatj
Moderator
 
Posts: 20039
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:07 pm
Location: Andaman Limp Dick of Certain Doom

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:00 pm

phatj wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:I think you arrived at your original figure by adding Pedro’s walks plus hits plus HBP allowed and subtracting it from his K total, which leaves you with plus 32.

This seems to me to be a sounder methodology that figuring it by IP times 3 (I.e., outs recorded) minus batters faced to arrive at base runners allowed... but I am unsure as to why.

As I think about it, I turn to the old strikeout wild pitch, which is considered a strikeout of course, but is not considered a time on base, and it isn’t an out either. So there might be some discrepancy from that, but actually that doesn’t make sense because, since I assume the number of strikeouts is fixed for both methodologies, what must change is what you are subtracting. Somehow, walks plus hits plus HBP winds up being more baserunners than batters faced minus outs recorded would suggest.

Does he not get credit for a batter faced if he finishes a batter someone else started because he was brought in in the middle of the AB? But how often could that have ever happened to Pedro?

Hmmm, a bit of a puzzle.

The problem with using BF minus Outs to determine when no baserunner was allowed is that it is possible to allow a baserunner and subsequently record an out without having faced another batter.

Yup, you'd need to account for GIDPs, Caught Stealings, and any other number of miscellaneous plays like Outfield Assists or unconventional double plays.
User avatar
RichmondPhilsFan
Dropped Anchor
Dropped Anchor
 
Posts: 9711
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:49 am
Location: Richmond, VA

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby WilliamC » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:41 pm

I think it will be down to Scherzer and Nola for Cy Young. DeGrom may be having the best year but they still give W-L stupidly a lot of attention. More than it deserves anyway. Nola and Scherzer could win 20+ with low 2 ERA's.

Scherzer might get the LeBron treatment if it is really close. "Let's give it to someone else."
Do it again!
User avatar
WilliamC
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 23321
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:12 pm
Location: Central PA

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby gr » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:16 pm

WilliamC wrote:I think it will be down to Scherzer and Nola for Cy Young. DeGrom may be having the best year but they still give W-L stupidly a lot of attention. More than it deserves anyway. Nola and Scherzer could win 20+ with low 2 ERA's.

Scherzer might get the LeBron treatment if it is really close. "Let's give it to someone else."


And if the phils are the only 1 of those 3 teams to make the playoffs
"You practicing for the Hit Parade?"
User avatar
gr
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 11504
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:15 pm
Location: DC

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:21 am

Phillies tweeted: Last night, @AaronNola027 made his 25th start of 2018. He finished it with a season ERA of 2.236, the lowest ERA through a Phillies pitcher’s first 25 starts of a season since 1964, per @EliasSports.

Amazing. #GeauxPhils
“I don’t coach losers, I only coach winners.” Mike Krzyzewski

"This is a normal collar. Move on. Find a new slant."
User avatar
PTOITWCFTPP
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 55409
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:57 pm

Re: Is Nola a Legit Ace?

Postby nycphils » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:55 am

Not only an ace, but Top 5 in MLB -

Scherzer
DeGrom
Sale
Verlander
Nola

Awesome
User avatar
nycphils
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 1124
Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:06 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Back She Goes!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: mickbayne and 16 guests

cron