Universal DH may be coming.

Universal DH may be coming.

Postby joboggi » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:52 am

1. Hoskins did OK at first base defensively.

2. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO PLAY FIRST BASE.

3. the answer is Nick Williams. While Cutch could play right making it easier for Williams who would play left, Harper is likely to inhabit RF for a long time.

Any way you add it up, Williams is the number one choice for DH. This will be a bigger breakout year for Williams if he is the DH.

Defense is not in Williams game.

Issue solved.

Harper is no GG machine so he could wind up at DH as well at some point.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby WhiteyFan » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:39 am

Not gonna happen this season. Im pretty sure we would've kept Santana or Bour had we known there would be a DH for this season.

Nick Williams at DH? puke.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby thephan » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:11 am

I am traditionally out of the DH, but the problem is glaring in games where AL rules are applied and NL teams are forced into uncomfortable decisions. The AL hit tool player honing his bat in the dugout with a beef rib bine between trips to the plate is really a mindset that fails the NL. So maybe I just need to accept the fate that the DH is inevitable because it has been institutionalize in half the game. May as well add a roster spot to accommodate this tragedy.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby thephan » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:12 am

WhiteyFan wrote:Not gonna happen this season. Im pretty sure we would've kept Santana or Bour had we known there would be a DH for this season.

Nick Williams at DH? puke.


There are some swatter in the Phils system that are best left off the field for the defensive innings.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Bucky » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:15 am

so you really think that is more glaring than when an AL pitcher is forced to bat??
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Postby Uncle Milty » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:17 am

The universe could use a DH - been swinging and missing for eons.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Slowhand » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:20 am

Tired of seeing automatic outs when pitchers bat. Bring on the DH.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:48 am

Yup if you want to add more scoring to the game this is one way to do it.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby momadance » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:48 am

Slowhand wrote:Tired of seeing automatic outs when pitchers bat. Bring on the DH.


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Postby bleh » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:10 am

We could've kept Thome if there was a DH.
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Postby Uncle Milty » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:14 am

Anyone against the DH should be limited to using rotary landlines.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby thephan » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:31 am

Bucky wrote:so you really think that is more glaring than when an AL pitcher is forced to bat??


I do. I think the nearly automatic out when the pitcher is standing there is easier for the AL to stomach then the NL having a player who is accustom to playing as a fielder having a seat waiting to hitting every couple of innings. I think the later is a mindset that has to be developed. NL Pitchers get a hit is covered like breaking news, and god forbid if they hit a HR where as the AL lumber yard worker waits for his chance to belt one, then dozes off until next time he can take the short walk to the chalk box. It could be imaginary, but the occasional story about a guy who hits well as a PH, or its corollary of an NL player changing leagues needing to adjust to being a DH, is where I am drawing the inference.

The Phils pitchers had 28 hits last year, 2 HR, and 8 BB. One part of three players in the Royals' DH strategy, Ryan O'Hearn 39 hits, 12 HR, and 20 BB. He split time with Jorge Soler 59/9/28, and Alex Gordon 56/13/50. Combine that is 158/34/98, but they played field positions as well so if I throw out a lazy divide by 3 you get 52/11/32 offensive production. FWIW, the Phillies hit did translate into 10 RBIs. //all that is sad conjecture fwiw//
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:36 am

Uncle Milty wrote:Anyone against the DH should be limited to using rotary landlines.


It’s a deal.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:43 am

Slowhand wrote:Tired of seeing automatic outs when pitchers bat. Bring on the DH.



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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:47 am

Let’s talk about 1970, when Bob Gibson threw 294 innings, went 23-7 with a 3.12 ERA (on a 2.29 FIP), good for a 133 ERA+

...and put up a .303 / .347 / .404 / .751 slash line in 124 PA, good for a 107 OPS+

That’s 8.9 WAR for pitching - and 1.2 for batting, for a total of 11.1 WAR, for those keeping score at home.

Are we never to have this again?
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:55 am

All sports were different 50 years ago. Just like we will never see someone dominate like Wilt and Russell did.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:56 am

Wolfgang622 wrote:Let’s talk about 1970, when Bob Gibson threw 294 innings, went 23-7 with a 3.12 ERA (on a 2.29 FIP), good for a 133 ERA+

...and put up a .303 / .347 / .404 / .751 slash line in 124 PA, good for a 107 OPS+

That’s 8.9 WAR for pitching - and 1.2 for batting, for a total of 11.1 WAR, for those keeping score at home.

Are we never to have this again?


Wow, so he was worth close to $100,000,000 in 2019 salary dollars that year.
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:56 am

heyeaglefn wrote:All sports were different 50 years ago.


But I have been told that baseball is timeless!
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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Rockinghorse » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:59 am

I've done a 180 over the years, grew up watching Carlton/Christensen/Lerch but over the years it became obvious that young pitchers had to focus only on the mound work and the hitting is ignored. Plus it feels as much luck as strategy is involved in deciding whether to bat Nick Williams in the 6th inning or hold for later.

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Re: Universal DH may be coming.

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:00 pm

Rockinghorse wrote:I've done a 180 over the years, grew up watching Carlton/Christensen/Lerch but over the years it became obvious that young pitchers had to focus only on the mound work and the hitting is ignored. Plus it feels as much luck as strategy is involved in deciding whether to bat Nick Williams in the 6th inning or hold for later.

Bring on position code zero


Given the pervasiveness of specialization at even the lowest levels of organized ball, this does have merit. I think it’s a shame, but I understand no one cares what I think.
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