Phils acquire Kyle Lohse for Matt Maloney

Postby CFP » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:50 pm

I have a strong feeling they would just send Condrey down again although he probably should be here in some capacity.
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Postby 21McBride » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:53 pm

might as well send down Condrey, Durbin has the better stuff and might just have to be thrown out there to sink or swim. Durbin did pitch a good 2 innings of relief in the game that the ump blew vs. the Astros, but whoa he's been awful otherwise.
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Postby kenrosenthal » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:57 pm

We don't have to make a roster move until Thursday when Lohse is going to pitch in the final game against the Cubs. I would guess that the Phils will wait till then to make a decision. Possible options:

1) PG makes a trade with someone on the roster (Bourn)
2) Send down Geary (try to get the most of him the 3 days he's here
3) We go with a shorter bench and get rid of Barajas (either trade, release)
4) DFA Condrey for the 3rd time this year
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:00 pm

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Postby Disco Stu » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:46 pm

FTN wrote:These numbers should be stressed again

112.7 IP
6-6
3.59 ERA
1.23 WHIP
69 K; 5.52 K/9
24 BB; 1.92 BB/9
2.88 K/BB
11 HR; 0.88 HR/9


Against the NL this year. If we'd traded for a pitcher with a straight 3.59 ERA, people would be pretty happy.


I hate when you do this. Talk about cherry picking. Do the other starts not count? Is he somehow incapable of pitching against the AL? Why not post his ERA from the central since it is likely to be much better. If you want to break it down, let's do it.

He has his most IP against St. Louis at 21.1 and a 2.95 ERA. The WS champs have a chump offense this year. Maybe it is due to Loshe though.

Next is 16 innings against Arizona. They have a team OPS of .721.

Next is against the Cubs with 14.1 innings pitched. He has dominated the Cubs (so, maybe we should have him start this weekend). The Cubs have a team OPS of .741. Whoo!

Hey, Loshe might be good, he might not be, but since his good start with an ERA of 2.88 n April, he had a 6.40 ERA in May, 5.08 in June and a good 3.81 in July. The issue isn't this small sampling of games, it is that he has been below average for his entire career. Into his 7th season, his ERA has never been below 4.18 for an entire year (despite him being a 3.57 ERA guy in your eyes). Yeah, it is the AL with the DH, but that is still pretty blech.

I hope I am wrong and he is a stud though.
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Postby jemagee » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm

The phils have to make a move on the roster before adding lohse right?
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Postby philliesphhan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:52 pm

Phan In Phlorida wrote:I thought Gillick ...would rather not trade for a rental :?:


c'mon man, that was hours ago
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Postby Warszawa » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:56 pm

so, not counting who was given up to the Reds, who would be seen as the better pick-up: Lohse or Arroyo?
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:59 pm

Disco Stu wrote:
FTN wrote:These numbers should be stressed again

112.7 IP
6-6
3.59 ERA
1.23 WHIP
69 K; 5.52 K/9
24 BB; 1.92 BB/9
2.88 K/BB
11 HR; 0.88 HR/9


Against the NL this year. If we'd traded for a pitcher with a straight 3.59 ERA, people would be pretty happy.


I hate when you do this. Talk about cherry picking. Do the other starts not count? Is he somehow incapable of pitching against the AL? Why not post his ERA from the central since it is likely to be much better. If you want to break it down, let's do it.

He has his most IP against St. Louis at 21.1 and a 2.95 ERA. The WS champs have a chump offense this year. Maybe it is due to Loshe though.

Next is 16 innings against Arizona. They have a team OPS of .721.

Next is against the Cubs with 14.1 innings pitched. He has dominated the Cubs (so, maybe we should have him start this weekend). The Cubs have a team OPS of .741. Whoo!

Hey, Loshe might be good, he might not be, but since his good start with an ERA of 2.88 n April, he had a 6.40 ERA in May, 5.08 in June and a good 3.81 in July. The issue isn't this small sampling of games, it is that he has been below average for his entire career. Into his 7th season, his ERA has never been below 4.18 for an entire year (despite him being a 3.57 ERA guy in your eyes). Yeah, it is the AL with the DH, but that is still pretty blech.

I hope I am wrong and he is a stud though.


What did I do? He got rocked by the AL teams. AL teams generally have stronger lineups. Why was it wrong to point that out? Theoretically, if a guy has an 8.50 ERA in April, a 2.50 ERA in May, a 1.95 ERA in June, and 1.34 ERA in July, you'd be the guy that would harp on his bad April.

The bottom line is, the Phillies took a chance that Lohse pitches well enough to give them a shot to win 8 of 10 starts for the rest of the year. That's a pretty decent risk. If he pitches well and doesn't re-sign, he'll net us a comp pick. If he doesn't, he walks. As I mentioned, I'm not high on Maloney, and I don't think he had value. You said he could have been packaged with Bourn, but you're just pulling that out of your backside.

Lohse may suck, or he may be good....the potential is there. We gave up little to take a chance.
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Postby kenrosenthal » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:59 pm

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Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:23 pm

It probably doesn't matter since he's a FA after the season, but his agent is Bora$
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Postby LoneStarPhan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:08 pm

Is Loshe there yet?

I have been reading several posts about waiver periods today, but I have been following ML baseball for a long time and do not recall it working that way.

My understanding was that if you add a player without options to your 25 man roster, he could not be sent back out without passing through waivers again. I think that is the case with Durbin and I do not want to see him lost. I would rather see him starting at AAA but it will not happen.
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:28 pm

LoneStarPhan wrote:Is Loshe there yet?

I have been reading several posts about waiver periods today, but I have been following ML baseball for a long time and do not recall it working that way.

My understanding was that if you add a player without options to your 25 man roster, he could not be sent back out without passing through waivers again. I think that is the case with Durbin and I do not want to see him lost. I would rather see him starting at AAA but it will not happen.


Here's how it works. During a waiver period, if a player clears waivers, you can option him up and down, unless he has enough service time to refuse an assigment to the minors. The current waiver period runs from May 1 to July 31. Condrey, for example, has already cleared waivers in this period, so that's why they've been able to send him down/call him up 20 billion times. If they send him down after 4 PM tomorrow, he has to clear again. Durbin cleared waivers before May 1, so if he were sent down, he'd have to clear again, which probably won't happen.
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Postby Warszawa » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:44 pm

From AP:
The Philadelphia Phillies, looking to bolster their pitching in the stretch, obtained the right-hander from the Cincinnati Reds on Monday for young and durable minor league lefty Matt Maloney.


Young and durable - what a glowing review. Heck I'm young and durable too.

"We like the Double-A pitcher, but we had to give up something to get something," Phillies general manager Pat Gillick said, adding that the Phillies needed a veteran pitcher.


Pat might want to ask the assistant GM the name of the double-A pitcher.

Lohse was by far the Reds' most inconsistent starter, pitching either very well or very poorly.


There's nothin' like being the most inconsistent starter for the Reds.

"[He's] been inconsistent so hopefully he can give us 10 or 12 decent starts in the last 50 or 60 games or whatever role that they decide to use him. If they decide to start him or if they use him in the bullpen, that's up to them."

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel didn't comment before the game.


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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:36 pm

Keith Law is impressed

The Phillies have now made two small but useful additions to their belated playoff push. Kyle Lohse is a capable fifth starter, a substantial improvement over J.D. Durbin and Adam Eaton, and an improvement over Kyle Kendrick once reality catches up with him. Lohse is a classic four-pitch mix guy who has never really had the put-away pitch that would elevate him out of fifth starterdom; his fastball is a bit too true and he's prone to the longball, which won't get any better for him with the move to Philly. The cost was minimal, reliever Matt Maloney, who projects as an 11th/12th man in the big leagues. Maloney is a lefty whose breaking ball isn't good enough to make him a lefty-killer. Given Reds GM Wayne Krivsky's reliever fetish, offering Maloney was a good gambit for the Phils.

On the heels of Chase Utley's injury, Pat Gillick picked up Tad Iguchi, a slightly above replacement-level hitter who plays average defense and who has shown enough pop in the last two years to give Philly hope that he returns to that form. Iguchi's swing is a long, but he strides into the ball well and manages to drive the ball well when he makes contact. He's just a one-month fill-in, but since the cost was just an organizational arm, Michael Dubee, and the internal alternatives weren't good, it was a sensible move for Gillick to make.


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Postby Laexile » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:32 am

Keith Law is unimpressed with the Phillies' system. Durbin and Kendrick aren't good rotation guys. He describes Maloney as a reliever, even though he's never pitched in relief as a pro, and says that he pretty much stinks at that. As a situational reliever Maloney will fail. Dubee is "organizational" arm. Maybe these guys won't be anything, but Maloney and Dubee have numbers that suggest more than he says. Dubee struck out all three batters he faced in his Kannapolis debut.
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Postby FTN » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:30 am

Laexile wrote:Keith Law is unimpressed with the Phillies' system. Durbin and Kendrick aren't good rotation guys. He describes Maloney as a reliever, even though he's never pitched in relief as a pro, and says that he pretty much stinks at that. As a situational reliever Maloney will fail. Dubee is "organizational" arm. Maybe these guys won't be anything, but Maloney and Dubee have numbers that suggest more than he says. Dubee struck out all three batters he faced in his Kannapolis debut.


Law is calling them relievers because that's the role they will play in the majors. He was a talent evaluator and scout before joining the Blue Jays front office, so he's probably making those opinions based on his experience in the field.
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Postby FTN » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:59 pm

we got lohse again?
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Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:09 pm

Nah. It was a typo to post saying "Loss goes to Phillies."
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