Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Bucky » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:40 am

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:54 am

I don't follow what people tweet, but several pretty terrible tweets about the massacre have broken through my bubble, and well, if the one you've chosen to object to is AOCs, you have some pretty #$!&@ up standards of what counts as a terrible tweet.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Bucky » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:59 am

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Werthless » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:05 pm

TenuredVulture wrote:I don't follow what people tweet, but several pretty terrible tweets about the massacre have broken through my bubble, and well, if the one you've chosen to object to is AOCs, you have some pretty #$!&@ up standards of what counts as a terrible tweet.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Well, I've read AOC's tweet a few times now, and while it might not be the most articulate expression of grief, it does not really attack anyone except the fanatics who are shooting up places of worship. I do think extremist terrorism is a big problem, and we do need to do more to combat it than just thoughts and prayers, and if the NRA and pro-gun fanatics are a little defensive and see themselves being criticized in her tweet, well, that's on them really.

I don't think it's "what aboutism" to say the things that really ought to be condemned are the ones coming out along the lines of "I deplore violence, but I am sympathetic with the goals of this terrorist."

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:05 pm

She, realizing it was not a good tweet, followed up with a tweet saying she intended to be criticizing the NRA. Imagine them thinking she was criticizing them! Must be their defensiveness.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:09 pm

Who cares
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Roger Dorn » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:14 pm

@realDonaldTrump The ‘Jexodus’ movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect! Republicans are waiting with open arms. Remember Jerusalem (U.S. Embassy) and the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal! @OANN @foxandfriends

This tweet seems a lot worse than AOC’s but sure let’s denigrate her. This board is crazy.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby JUburton » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:34 pm

jerseyhoya wrote:She, realizing it was not a good tweet, followed up with a tweet saying she intended to be criticizing the NRA. Imagine them thinking she was criticizing them! Must be their defensiveness.
Or realizing it was open to bad faith interpretation but hey you do you.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:58 pm

also she followed up with that like 45 minutes after, not just now.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:21 pm

I'm sure there are fine people on both sides.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Squire » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:19 pm

Stupid process question: Is the full House/Senate constitutionally required to hold the vote to override a veto? or do they only hold it if they think they have the votes to override?
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby The Savior » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:43 pm

jerseyhoya wrote:She, realizing it was not a good tweet, followed up with a tweet saying she intended to be criticizing the NRA. Imagine them thinking she was criticizing them! Must be their defensiveness.


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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:09 pm

Squire wrote:Stupid process question: Is the full House/Senate constitutionally required to hold the vote to override a veto? or do they only hold it if they think they have the votes to override?


I'm going off of memory so I could be wrong, but either chamber can initiate the veto vote (I don't think it's required, so if you know it's futile you may not attempt) and if it passes that chamber than the other one will vote. I don't think the Senate can say thanks no thanks if the House successfully overrides.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:11 pm

Roger Dorn wrote:@realDonaldTrump The ‘Jexodus’ movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect! Republicans are waiting with open arms. Remember Jerusalem (U.S. Embassy) and the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal! @OANN @foxandfriends

This tweet seems a lot worse than AOC’s but sure let’s denigrate her. This board is crazy.


It is. And probably about ever third tweet @RealDon kicks out. These tweets routinely catch the board on fire. That's what make 'who cares' seem rather thin skinned. Everybody cares if it is Trump, Bannon, or most of the other moron squad (me as well) hit tweet.

To your point, this gaming for Jewish support is insane. It is provably false that there is any type of hate movement inside the Democratic party at large. Certainly Omar's stuff is bad, maybe it is clumsy or maybe it is ingrained, but minimally she needs to pause and consider what she is saying, and how she is saying it. She has been factually wrong with somethings, but glaringly she has chosen hateful rhetorical descriptions to make a point that undoes what I think she was trying to convey. Honestly, she has been really bad at clarifying too.

That said, it is disingenuous to paint the Democratic party as a party that hates Jews. There is garbage in the GOP that has openly verbalize hatred, including demonization and denigration of Jewish people, but I do not think that the GOP hates Jews writ large.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:15 pm

slugsrbad wrote:
Squire wrote:Stupid process question: Is the full House/Senate constitutionally required to hold the vote to override a veto? or do they only hold it if they think they have the votes to override?


I'm going off of memory so I could be wrong, but either chamber can initiate the veto vote (I don't think it's required, so if you know it's futile you may not attempt) and if it passes that chamber than the other one will vote. I don't think the Senate can say thanks no thanks if the House successfully overrides.


I am curious about the process too. He seemed really smug after he inked his veto.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby The Savior » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:30 pm

thephan wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:@realDonaldTrump The ‘Jexodus’ movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect! Republicans are waiting with open arms. Remember Jerusalem (U.S. Embassy) and the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal! @OANN @foxandfriends

This tweet seems a lot worse than AOC’s but sure let’s denigrate her. This board is crazy.


It is. And probably about ever third tweet @RealDon kicks out. These tweets routinely catch the board on fire. That's what make 'who cares' seem rather thin skinned. Everybody cares if it is Trump, Bannon, or most of the other moron squad (me as well) hit tweet.

To your point, this gaming for Jewish support is insane. It is provably false that there is any type of hate movement inside the Democratic party at large. Certainly Omar's stuff is bad, maybe it is clumsy or maybe it is ingrained, but minimally she needs to pause and consider what she is saying, and how she is saying it. She has been factually wrong with somethings, but glaringly she has chosen hateful rhetorical descriptions to make a point that undoes what I think she was trying to convey. Honestly, she has been really bad at clarifying too.

That said, it is disingenuous to paint the Democratic party as a party that hates Jews. There is garbage in the GOP that has openly verbalize hatred, including demonization and denigration of Jewish people, but I do not think that the GOP hates Jews writ large.

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But jersey chooses to attack a female minority elected official.

Perhaps he’s not as different as he’d like to believe (or suggest).
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:31 pm

thephan wrote:
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Squire wrote:Stupid process question: Is the full House/Senate constitutionally required to hold the vote to override a veto? or do they only hold it if they think they have the votes to override?


I'm going off of memory so I could be wrong, but either chamber can initiate the veto vote (I don't think it's required, so if you know it's futile you may not attempt) and if it passes that chamber than the other one will vote. I don't think the Senate can say thanks no thanks if the House successfully overrides.


I am curious about the process too. He seemed really smug after he inked his veto.


Well I mean neither the House nor the Senate passed the bill with a 2/3 majority so it all but signaled that an override would be impossible
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:38 pm

The Savior wrote:
thephan wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:@realDonaldTrump The ‘Jexodus’ movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect! Republicans are waiting with open arms. Remember Jerusalem (U.S. Embassy) and the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal! @OANN @foxandfriends

This tweet seems a lot worse than AOC’s but sure let’s denigrate her. This board is crazy.


It is. And probably about ever third tweet @RealDon kicks out. These tweets routinely catch the board on fire. That's what make 'who cares' seem rather thin skinned. Everybody cares if it is Trump, Bannon, or most of the other moron squad (me as well) hit tweet.

To your point, this gaming for Jewish support is insane. It is provably false that there is any type of hate movement inside the Democratic party at large. Certainly Omar's stuff is bad, maybe it is clumsy or maybe it is ingrained, but minimally she needs to pause and consider what she is saying, and how she is saying it. She has been factually wrong with somethings, but glaringly she has chosen hateful rhetorical descriptions to make a point that undoes what I think she was trying to convey. Honestly, she has been really bad at clarifying too.

That said, it is disingenuous to paint the Democratic party as a party that hates Jews. There is garbage in the GOP that has openly verbalize hatred, including demonization and denigration of Jewish people, but I do not think that the GOP hates Jews writ large.

TL;DR - Trump tweeting ignorance has been normalize


But jersey chooses to attack a female minority elected official.

Perhaps he’s not as different as he’d like to believe (or suggest).

I am sorry that at midnight last night I complained about AOC's tweet instead of criticizing the one Trump sent 8 hours after my post.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:39 pm

I will do better though and do predictive criticisms

Here's one for Trump's bad tweet tomorrow morning: Holy #$!&@ I cannot believe he said that! He should be ashamed of himself and apologize immediately.

And for next Tuesday: Gosh, that's just reprehensible. Come ON dude.
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