Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby Youseff » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:28 am

phillychuck wrote:Anyone know Oakafor's usage rate in SL? Or do they even bother to figure that out?


I need to see all the Okafor stats. I want to see how often he gets blocked, his TS%, his PER, etc. ALL OF IT!!!
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby heyeaglefn » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:31 am

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heyeaglefn wrote:I don't think anyone thought he was a polished shooter at this point.


that was one of his selling points

I was talking about comparing him to Stauskas, I didn't think anyone thought he was that good of a shooter.


that was literally what people liked about him.

So you think he is as good of a shooter as Stauskas was in college? There are different levels of shooters, and I thought Stauskas was considered in the next tier, but I guess I am wrong.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:31 am

430 TS%, 441 eFG, 16 ORB%, 12 DRB% (yikes!), 31% usage
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby azrider » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:38 am

pacino wrote:430 TS%, 441 eFG, 16 ORB%, 12 DRB% (yikes!), 31% usage


It's also summer league where i put very little weight into stats. Did he show me he can do most of the things in college, in the summer league? Yeah

Did he also show me that he is out of shape, provides very little threat defensively and is absolutely atrocious trying to play the pick and roll? Yeah

Do I think he can fix those problems? Yeah

Do I think he will be a future all star? Yeah
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby Youseff » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:40 am

heyeaglefn wrote:
Youseff wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
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heyeaglefn wrote:I don't think anyone thought he was a polished shooter at this point.


that was one of his selling points

I was talking about comparing him to Stauskas, I didn't think anyone thought he was that good of a shooter.


that was literally what people liked about him.

So you think he is as good of a shooter as Stauskas was in college? There are different levels of shooters, and I thought Stauskas was considered in the next tier, but I guess I am wrong.


it's fair to think Stauskas was a better shooter, for sure, but a PG .411 as an 18 year old with not too many other offensive options on the team also led a lot of people to believe DR was a really good shooting prospect.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby PhillyPhan » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:41 am

heyeaglefn wrote:
Youseff wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
Youseff wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:I don't think anyone thought he was a polished shooter at this point.


that was one of his selling points

I was talking about comparing him to Stauskas, I didn't think anyone thought he was that good of a shooter.


that was literally what people liked about him.

So you think he is as good of a shooter as Stauskas was in college? There are different levels of shooters, and I thought Stauskas was considered in the next tier, but I guess I am wrong.

College stats for both..

NS 47% FG, 44% 3PT
DR 45% FG, 41% 3PT

Nik was slightly better but I wouldn't say significantly
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:41 am

Pretty pumped about how awful the Lakers are gonna be. Kobe will rip Hibbert's head off.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby BIGPHILLY » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:43 am

I think (even thought it's absurdly premature) that Russell was the classic beneficiary of the Steph Curry/James Harden / Jimmy Butler trend that is somewhat deceiving. There will always be more volume of talented 2/3 in the world than 4/5 options. When Doug Gottlieb types started screaming that Russell was so amazing and the next revolutionary 2/3 combo talent that rules the modern NBA - you could just feel the swing in that direction for the Lakers. I think of Johnny Manziel as an example (i'm reaching) in the NFL. This guy would have been undrafted a decade ago or in the 90s. Because of the swing to the spread offense and RG3 mentality - Cleveland bought in. The Lakers saw Randle/Okafor as a problem. They saw Kobe as retiring shortly. They saw the trend and they bought the hype. Okafor will be Tim Duncan light for a decade plus and Russell will probably be a Bradley Beal type talent (Which is nice) but not a franchise big like Okafor. The Lakers screwed this one up.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby phillychuck » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:44 am

MoBettle wrote:Pretty pumped about how awful the Lakers are gonna be. Kobe will rip Hibbert's head off.


Don't want Lakers to be bottom 3, though. #weownthepick
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:45 am

Not sure either is a franchise player.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby azrider » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:50 am

JFLNYC wrote:Not sure either is a franchise player.


One of them will demand a double team almost immediately. That kinda means that one is at least almost half way there.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:51 am

phillychuck wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Pretty pumped about how awful the Lakers are gonna be. Kobe will rip Hibbert's head off.


Don't want Lakers to be bottom 3, though. #weownthepick


just for fun:

worst record: .357 chance we get their pick
2nd worst record: .442
3rd worst record: .531
4th worst record: .622
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby Youseff » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:58 am

BIGPHILLY wrote:I think (even thought it's absurdly premature) that Russell was the classic beneficiary of the Steph Curry/James Harden / Jimmy Butler trend that is somewhat deceiving. There will always be more volume of talented 2/3 in the world than 4/5 options. When Doug Gottlieb types started screaming that Russell was so amazing and the next revolutionary 2/3 combo talent that rules the modern NBA - you could just feel the swing in that direction for the Lakers. I think of Johnny Manziel as an example (i'm reaching) in the NFL. This guy would have been undrafted a decade ago or in the 90s. Because of the swing to the spread offense and RG3 mentality - Cleveland bought in. The Lakers saw Randle/Okafor as a problem. They saw Kobe as retiring shortly. They saw the trend and they bought the hype. Okafor will be Tim Duncan light for a decade plus and Russell will probably be a Bradley Beal type talent (Which is nice) but not a franchise big like Okafor. The Lakers screwed this one up.


today is literally the first day I've heard people refer to D'Angelo as a 3 and I feel like I read every article about him leading up to the draft
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:01 am

no way he has the strength for it
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby PhillyPhan » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:04 am

That's the most recent Lakers talk. Unless Kobe is playing the 3. They want to run with those 3 on the court

Their starting 5....
Clarkson
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Randle
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby laf837 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:06 am

azrider wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Not sure either is a franchise player.


One of them will demand a double team almost immediately. That kinda means that one is at least almost half way there.


tbf, by the nature of the position, even the best 1s and 2s rarely ever see a double team
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:10 am

PhillyPhan wrote:That's the most recent Lakers talk. Unless Kobe is playing the 3. They want to run with those 3 on the court

Their starting 5....
Clarkson
Kobe
Russell
Randle
Hibbert


That's ludicrous. What would Russell really gain from a season so out of position

As for the Okafor double and even triple teams -- Bobby Buckets has to be hype
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:23 am

They're gonna try to play Kobe at the 3 not Russell. Scott talked about it when we played them.
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Re: Trust The Process: A Summer Journey of Emotions (Sixers)

Postby rolex » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:34 am

BIGPHILLY wrote:I think (even thought it's absurdly premature) that Russell was the classic beneficiary of the Steph Curry/James Harden / Jimmy Butler trend that is somewhat deceiving. There will always be more volume of talented 2/3 in the world than 4/5 options. When Doug Gottlieb types started screaming that Russell was so amazing and the next revolutionary 2/3 combo talent that rules the modern NBA - you could just feel the swing in that direction for the Lakers. I think of Johnny Manziel as an example (i'm reaching) in the NFL. This guy would have been undrafted a decade ago or in the 90s. Because of the swing to the spread offense and RG3 mentality - Cleveland bought in. The Lakers saw Randle/Okafor as a problem. They saw Kobe as retiring shortly. They saw the trend and they bought the hype. Okafor will be Tim Duncan light for a decade plus and Russell will probably be a Bradley Beal type talent (Which is nice) but not a franchise big like Okafor. The Lakers screwed this one up.

Interesting post. Your point about the NBA trend of falling in love with shooting guards is spot on. Sports tend to be very copy cattish. The other thing that has to be remembered here is that Russell is one year out of h.s. Years ago when under twenty-one year olds were not being drafted, Russell would be a player that teams would allow to mature and then analyze. Who knows if Russell would be the second pick in a draft of maturer players. Sure Russell has had raves coming from Pitino, Matta and others but playing against college players, even good ones, is a far cry from standing up to NBA players. I'd rather have Okafor than him.
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