In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:51 pm

Apparently the Raptors, Kings and Nuggets are interested in Millsap. If it's the Raptors I could see BC nosing around to be part of a 3-way deal.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby threecount » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:53 pm

BigEd76 wrote:
threecount wrote:Wojo says Sixers interested in Milsap, but to keep him, not as just a tool in a three-team trade..


Apparently it was in the original article but the Sixers (and New Orleans) were removed


grrrrrrrrr.....

Either way, I still feel like Bryan Colangelo wants to make his own stamp on the organization and get rid of the " Hinkie-stigma"...I'm sure he is trying to move Okafor or another piece if he could..
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Gimpy » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:54 pm

Napalm wrote:what's the reasoning behind that as far as translating to the nba game besides bro science


I'd heard it bounced around a bunch and started actually paying attention to it in the past year. This is an excerpt from a Kevin Pelton Insider Article:

It might seem crazy that anything but the college 3-point shooting percentage would help predict NBA 3-point shooting. But history is striking in this regard. Consider this: 13 players in Sports-Reference.com's college database (dating to 1997-98) shot at least 42 percent from 3-point range with at least 250 career attempts and have attempted at least 500 career 3-pointers as pros. A similar-sized group of players made at least 85 percent of their free throws on the same number of attempts. Lo and behold, the two groups -- which overlap somewhat -- have shot almost the same percentage from 3-point range in the NBA.

From a statistical standpoint, it makes sense that free throws might convey important information about a player's overall shooting ability. After all, a player's free throw percentage is much more stable season to season. NBA players who have attempted between 100 and 200 free throws in consecutive seasons have a .785 correlation between their free throw percentage in the two years. (Correlation measures the linear relationship between two numbers, with 1 representing one-to-one correlation and zero indicating no linear relationship at all.) The year-to-year correlation in 3-point percentage among players with the same number of attempts is just .313.

So if we take the full sample of players with at least 250 career 3-point and free throw attempts in the Sports-Reference.com NCAA database and at least 500 career 3s attempted in the NBA, college free throw percentage actually correlates slightly better (.443) to NBA 3-point percentage than college 3-point percentage (.429). Neither is a particularly good predictor of 3-point shooting in the NBA, but together they're stronger than either stat individually, explaining about a quarter of the variation in what players shoot.


It's not a perfect indicator, but I think it's a red flag if a guy can't hit foul shots in college.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Gimpy » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:58 pm

Would you trade Noel-Covington-Lakers Pick for Wiggins? The Lakers pick could yield us a high upside wing on a rookie scale deal and Noel looks pretty good behind/beside Embiid and Wiggins is going to get paid next year, but I'd do it.

I guess the real question is how much more would you kick in to get the deal done
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Youseff » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:05 pm

feel like that's a lot to give up so we'd probably "lose" the trade, but him slotted at the 2/3 as a sharp-shooter/slasher role next to Embiid and Ben would make for a pretty sick club.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby 702 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:06 pm

I thought we soured on Wiggy?
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Youseff » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:07 pm

I'm never gonna be crazy sour on a guy like him at age 21.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:16 pm

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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:18 pm

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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Gimpy » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:22 pm

Noel just doesn't have a lot of value on the open market. I love the guy and would rather trade Okafor for a pair of socks than Noel for a so-so player, but I think Wiggins could be viewed as a cornerstone. Obviously, Noel isn't worth Wiggins so I'd think the hypo would depend on how you feel about that Lakers pick, which is the real centerpiece of our package.

Cov is a throw in to me. Nice player, but he's not a deal breaker to me by any means.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:03 am

Gimpy wrote:Noel just doesn't have a lot of value on the open market. I love the guy and would rather trade Okafor for a pair of socks than Noel for a so-so player, but I think Wiggins could be viewed as a cornerstone. Obviously, Noel isn't worth Wiggins so I'd think the hypo would depend on how you feel about that Lakers pick, which is the real centerpiece of our package.

Cov is a throw in to me. Nice player, but he's not a deal breaker to me by any means.


Love the spirit of this deal, but my guess is the Wolves don't deal Wiggins unless they are getting a top lottery talent. My guess is it would take our pick in place of the Lakers pick, and at that point, I probably feel as though we are overpaying. I do love Wiggins upside though. I would think about it long and hard...
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:51 am

Youseff wrote:do you guys think Lonzo could play with Ben & Embiid?


Bod has you covered with his latest Sixers Beat. Crip note: catch and shoot prowess tips it to yes

Sounds like Jackson is a poor fit here. Maybe some trade down potential if he keeps balling out? Be great to see Giles climb up to Lakers pick territory as well.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:24 am

Unfortunately Jackson doesn't shoot well enough to be a good fit here. Fultz, Ball and Monk, yes. Smith, probably.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:26 am

I wonder if Collar is tempted to trade our pick (whichever one is highest)
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby MoBettle » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:28 am

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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Gimpy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:31 am

Gluten isn't allowed near his table
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:40 am

Brian Seltzer (aka B Fizz) wrote:Stauskas stats last 2 games...
•Team-best +19.9 net rtg when on floor
•Used at PG for 25 / 61 total min; Sixers +24 pts with him at PG
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:41 am

Thought Dunn ate him up on defense.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby Gimpy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:45 am

I hope Nik keeps it up. I wonder if he'd benefit from being mentored by Redick when we inevitably sign him this summer.
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Re: In defense of Nerlens Noel: A Sixers thread

Postby MoBettle » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:47 am

Gimpy wrote:I hope Nik keeps it up. I wonder if he'd benefit from being mentored by Redick when we inevitably sign him this summer.

Will make him a better podcaster
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