Phils acquire Kyle Lohse for Matt Maloney

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:23 pm

It probably doesn't matter since he's a FA after the season, but his agent is Bora$
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Postby LoneStarPhan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:08 pm

Is Loshe there yet?

I have been reading several posts about waiver periods today, but I have been following ML baseball for a long time and do not recall it working that way.

My understanding was that if you add a player without options to your 25 man roster, he could not be sent back out without passing through waivers again. I think that is the case with Durbin and I do not want to see him lost. I would rather see him starting at AAA but it will not happen.
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:28 pm

LoneStarPhan wrote:Is Loshe there yet?

I have been reading several posts about waiver periods today, but I have been following ML baseball for a long time and do not recall it working that way.

My understanding was that if you add a player without options to your 25 man roster, he could not be sent back out without passing through waivers again. I think that is the case with Durbin and I do not want to see him lost. I would rather see him starting at AAA but it will not happen.


Here's how it works. During a waiver period, if a player clears waivers, you can option him up and down, unless he has enough service time to refuse an assigment to the minors. The current waiver period runs from May 1 to July 31. Condrey, for example, has already cleared waivers in this period, so that's why they've been able to send him down/call him up 20 billion times. If they send him down after 4 PM tomorrow, he has to clear again. Durbin cleared waivers before May 1, so if he were sent down, he'd have to clear again, which probably won't happen.
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Postby Warszawa » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:44 pm

From AP:
The Philadelphia Phillies, looking to bolster their pitching in the stretch, obtained the right-hander from the Cincinnati Reds on Monday for young and durable minor league lefty Matt Maloney.


Young and durable - what a glowing review. Heck I'm young and durable too.

"We like the Double-A pitcher, but we had to give up something to get something," Phillies general manager Pat Gillick said, adding that the Phillies needed a veteran pitcher.


Pat might want to ask the assistant GM the name of the double-A pitcher.

Lohse was by far the Reds' most inconsistent starter, pitching either very well or very poorly.


There's nothin' like being the most inconsistent starter for the Reds.

"[He's] been inconsistent so hopefully he can give us 10 or 12 decent starts in the last 50 or 60 games or whatever role that they decide to use him. If they decide to start him or if they use him in the bullpen, that's up to them."

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel didn't comment before the game.


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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:36 pm

Keith Law is impressed

The Phillies have now made two small but useful additions to their belated playoff push. Kyle Lohse is a capable fifth starter, a substantial improvement over J.D. Durbin and Adam Eaton, and an improvement over Kyle Kendrick once reality catches up with him. Lohse is a classic four-pitch mix guy who has never really had the put-away pitch that would elevate him out of fifth starterdom; his fastball is a bit too true and he's prone to the longball, which won't get any better for him with the move to Philly. The cost was minimal, reliever Matt Maloney, who projects as an 11th/12th man in the big leagues. Maloney is a lefty whose breaking ball isn't good enough to make him a lefty-killer. Given Reds GM Wayne Krivsky's reliever fetish, offering Maloney was a good gambit for the Phils.

On the heels of Chase Utley's injury, Pat Gillick picked up Tad Iguchi, a slightly above replacement-level hitter who plays average defense and who has shown enough pop in the last two years to give Philly hope that he returns to that form. Iguchi's swing is a long, but he strides into the ball well and manages to drive the ball well when he makes contact. He's just a one-month fill-in, but since the cost was just an organizational arm, Michael Dubee, and the internal alternatives weren't good, it was a sensible move for Gillick to make.


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Postby Laexile » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:32 am

Keith Law is unimpressed with the Phillies' system. Durbin and Kendrick aren't good rotation guys. He describes Maloney as a reliever, even though he's never pitched in relief as a pro, and says that he pretty much stinks at that. As a situational reliever Maloney will fail. Dubee is "organizational" arm. Maybe these guys won't be anything, but Maloney and Dubee have numbers that suggest more than he says. Dubee struck out all three batters he faced in his Kannapolis debut.
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Postby FTN » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:30 am

Laexile wrote:Keith Law is unimpressed with the Phillies' system. Durbin and Kendrick aren't good rotation guys. He describes Maloney as a reliever, even though he's never pitched in relief as a pro, and says that he pretty much stinks at that. As a situational reliever Maloney will fail. Dubee is "organizational" arm. Maybe these guys won't be anything, but Maloney and Dubee have numbers that suggest more than he says. Dubee struck out all three batters he faced in his Kannapolis debut.


Law is calling them relievers because that's the role they will play in the majors. He was a talent evaluator and scout before joining the Blue Jays front office, so he's probably making those opinions based on his experience in the field.
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Postby 1 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:59 pm

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Postby FTN » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:59 pm

we got lohse again?
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Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:09 pm

Nah. It was a typo to post saying "Loss goes to Phillies."
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Postby 1 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:24 pm

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Postby ek » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:25 pm

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Postby BIGPHILLY » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:27 pm

NOTE:

Matt Maloney is basically AAA fodder right now:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=476011
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Postby FTN » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:30 pm

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Postby Bakestar » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:34 pm

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Postby traderdave » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:35 pm

BIGPHILLY wrote:NOTE:

Matt Maloney is basically AAA fodder right now:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=476011


Fodder :?:
Those numbers didn't look to bad to me.
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Postby FTN » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:36 pm

Looking at his last outing, I have to think hes hurt.
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Postby ek » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:36 pm

he's on the 7 day DL. it's at the top of that page
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Postby Laexile » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:39 pm

traderdave wrote:
BIGPHILLY wrote:NOTE:

Matt Maloney is basically AAA fodder right now:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=476011


Fodder :?:
Those numbers didn't look to bad to me.

Maloney 111.2 IP 12 HR 32 BB 107 K
Happ 117.1 IP 12 HR 41 BB 127 K
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Postby kenrosenthal » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:40 pm

ok, lets stop jeff vs. bsg 2.0 before it happens
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